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April 29
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April 29, 2025
(Tuesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
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Ongoing: 2025 India–Pakistan diplomatic crisis
[edit]Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: A major build-up. ArionStar (talk) 02:36, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- wait there maybe more to come this week. the ins V(something) just came back to home port and pak minister said could be an invasion in 2-3 days. So, we can see this week.Sportsnut24 (talk) 04:07, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wait Something is definitely building up there, but we've seen these tensions ebb and flow like this before. If full scale combat breaks out as suggested, that would be a reason to include (perhaps as a blurb first). Masem (t) 04:12, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
April 28
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April 28, 2025
(Monday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Business and economy
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Politics and elections
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RD: Tom Brown
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bagumba (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Yoshi876 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Died on the 23rd, but announced on the 28th.[1] American football and baseball player who was the first to play in both the major leagues and in a Super Bowl. —Bagumba (talk) 07:28, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
TnT federal election
[edit]Blurb: In Trinidad and Tobago, the opposition UNC wins the general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In Trinidad and Tobago, the opposition UNC wins the general election with former Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar sworn in again.
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Note- swearing in will be tomorrow, so if there is waiting till updates/approval, we can post that. Sportsnut24 (talk) 04:03, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
Canadian federal election
[edit]Blurb: In Canada, the Liberal Party, led by Mark Carney (pictured), wins the federal election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Liberals, led by Mark Carney (pictured), win the Canadian federal election.
Alternative blurb II: In Canada, the Liberal Party, led by Prime Minister Mark Carney (pictured), wins the most seats in the federal election.
News source(s): [3][4][5]
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:21, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support The Alt-blurb is more accurate, since political parties form governments, and Canadians do not vote for the PM directly. For all we know, some unforseen issue will result in Carney not becoming PM. I would say wait a bit since current projections say the Liberals will win the majority but the polls only closed 1 hour ago. Harizotoh9 (talk) 02:34, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wait for the numbers to be announced, and then wait for the article to be updated with riding results. pancake (talk) 02:34, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Alt2 More sources have announced it now, and I agree with both @Harizotoh9 and @Canuckian89 that blurb 1 is misleading. pancake (talk) 02:44, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support But note that blurb one ("Mark Carney is elected to the position") is entirely inaccurate. Canadians do not vote for Prime Minister. The only ballots that have Carney's name on them are the ballots that will be for his own electoral district in Nepean, for him to serve as MP for that district. The Prime Minister is actually chosen as the person who can maintain the confidence of the House after the House members meet to form the new Parliament. Alt blurb is a bit better description of the election in that regard. Canuck89 (Talk to me) or visit my user page 02:32, April 29, 2025 (UTC)
- Wait, and oppose current blurbs Once the results are more clear, the blurb should also specify whether the Carney Liberals won a majority or minority government (there is a very significant difference). FlipandFlopped ㋡ 02:41, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wait We need a little more meat on the bones before this can be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:47, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wait, Id say that we should wait wait until about 2/3 of the seats have been officially called, it's far too early to determine an outcome. Hungry403 (talk) 02:53, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Also alt II looks like the best blurb Hungry403 (talk) 02:54, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- How about something like "In the Canadian federal election, the Liberal Party under Mark Carney (pictured) retains power with a (minority / majority) government" ?DS (talk) 03:42, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- I'd prefer something like "
the Liberal Party, led by Mark Carney, wins (a majority of / the most) seats
" DecafPotato (talk) 04:00, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- I'd prefer something like "
- wait currently Alt2 but could change.Sportsnut24 (talk) 04:05, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Alt2 Alt2 seems most accurate, as it seems to be a minority government Jone425 (talk) 05:16, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- That is CRYSTALBALL and not news. There is no harm in waiting a few hours.Sportsnut24 (talk) 05:40, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wait CBC has been noting the race has been close. Since a chunk of the results have not been finalized, I think it may be best to wait until we know whether the Liberals have a majority or a minority. I will change my vote when that has been determined. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:11, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
2025 European power outage
[edit]Blurb: A major power outage affects most of the Iberian Peninsula and southern France. (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:
- Nominated by 3142 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: New article already on this, I intend to look at developing that shortly. 50+ million affected, not unprecedented in size but highly unusual highly developed economies. 3142 (talk) 13:20, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wait article needs some more work. Warrant the European editors are having issues with their internet too. Support in principle due to rareness - though if it's Spain and Portugal wouldn't it be best to call it Iberian power outage? Juxlos (talk) 13:23, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wait if this is restored in a day, it's a minor first world problem and not worth posting. If it last for more than a day and starts causing major disruptions then it may be worth posting. Masem (t) 13:28, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support A major power outage affecting a whole European region. ArionStar (talk) 14:47, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Seems to be quite a big deal, affecting several countries. The cause seems to be unusual weather causing a form of conductor gallop, which is quite interesting. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:50, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- If this is a short term event (cleared in a day without any loss of life), this fact would make it good for DYK. Masem (t) 18:06, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wait to see the effects, as if this lasts or causes major disruptions it's worth posting. The article itself is rather short and we should consider waiting for an actual confirmed cause. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 14:52, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wait. Understandably, it's difficult to get reporting out of the affected regions, so the impact remains unclear and there are few details to add to the article. We know that public transport ground to a halt, but not how much damage has been done, whether lives have been lost due to failing hospital equipment, impacts on water and food supplies etc. If the power is still down tomorrow we'll start getting beyond an inconvenience and into serious impacts. Modest Genius talk 17:41, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Making headlines around the world. Unusual event on this scale. But if it's mainly Spain and Portugal area the title is too broad. Valtteri1010 (talk) 17:44, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Whole country without electricity, pretty crazy. Article will for sure expand but it already hosts enough information to be worth adding into itn. AdrianHObradors (talk) 18:50, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, we didn't post this when it happened to Venezuela, Cuba, or Chile. Seems like double standards Kowal2701 (talk) 20:01, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- venezuela and cuba have non functioning power grids in the first place. this is a major developed economy with a historically reliable grid going off throughout the entire country for an extensive period of time. its totally different 2A00:23C8:B00:AD01:D1C3:9D9F:A656:E847 (talk) 00:25, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Kowal. — EF5 (questions?) 20:06, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, we didn't post this when it happened to Venezuela, Cuba, or Chile. Seems like double standards Kowal2701 (talk) 20:01, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Good article quality, relevant, and blurb edited for a more precise context. News about the recovery from the blackout have started coming in.. --NoonIcarus (talk) 20:23, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- I would not call that good quality, it's lots of one sentence paragraphs with scraps of WP:PROSELINE. It affected Andorra for a few seconds, France for a few minutes, and Spain probably for a day. Kowal2701 (talk) 20:34, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- yes, quality is an issue. Just saying a number of random things affected is not how to summarize this. That would be fine for a newspaper but not WP. Masem (t) 20:40, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- I would not call that good quality, it's lots of one sentence paragraphs with scraps of WP:PROSELINE. It affected Andorra for a few seconds, France for a few minutes, and Spain probably for a day. Kowal2701 (talk) 20:34, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Not ready. There's a lot of info in the lead that I cannot see in the body of the article. It's all a bit thin on the ground. Schwede66 21:59, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability, oppose on quality more than 50 million people are directly affected by the blackout, with all that this implies for the public service affected and the aggravating factor of the fall of a large part of telecommunications via mobile phones in two technically developed countries with modern infrastructures. Where I live the electricity has not arrived until now, almost 12 hours later. Tomorrow I will dedicate time to the article, as it does not yet contain much information about the event. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:26, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- It is in List of major power outages. No doubts about the importance of the event. ArionStar (talk) 00:57, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Per above, there are things on there that were not posted. It means nothing.Sportsnut24 (talk) 04:24, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
Russian invasion of Ukraine ceasefire
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Blurb: Russian president Vladimir Putin announces a ceasefire in Ukraine from 8–10 May to mark the 80th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany in World War II. (Post)
News source(s): The Journal The New York Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Aydoh8 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose Sadly we have to be circumspect about these pronouncments since we have had prior ceasefires announced (e.g. over Easter) that do no materialise in reality. 3142 (talk) 12:34, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - This
major development
happens pretty often, then people resume killing each other. I'll only ever support one of these if the ceasefire doesn't have an "until" date. — EF5 (questions?) 12:38, 28 April 2025 (UTC) - Oppose As I understand it, the "ceasefire" is essentially a unilateral declaration from Russia without corresponding support from Ukraine. If we posted every such unilateral declaration, we would become a Russian state news ticker. If or when there is buy-in from Ukraine and it seems an actual deal with terms is reached, I would be more inclined to support. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 13:06, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose as it is temporary and meant to recognize the day, but definitely not an end to the war.
- Oppose, meaningless and cynical posturing that, just like the last so-called ceasefire, is very likely to be broken. Alternatively, will probably lead to an increase in drone and missile attacks on civilian targets, immediately before and after. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:39, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
April 27
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April 27, 2025
(Sunday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Arts and culture
Business and economy
Disasters and accidents
International relations
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RD: Dick Barnett
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:3DFE:9B0E:3195:6371 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American Hall of Fame basketball player. Death announced on 27 April. 240F:7A:6253:1:3DFE:9B0E:3195:6371 (talk) 05:41, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
Liverpool win English Premier League title
[edit]Blurb: In association football, Liverpool wins the English Premier League title. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In association football, Liverpool wins the English Premier League, a record-equalling 20th title.
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Yorkshiresky (talk · give credit)
- Created by Tedeff (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Joint record 20th title with Manchester United. Season finishes on 25th May but Liverpool confirmed as champions today. yorkshiresky (talk) 21:09, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. The Teams section needs some citations but otherwise it's not in too bad nick. The prose summary is suitably updated which is often something missing from these. I know there is a school of thought that this should be posted at the end of the season but I don't agree with that. It's in the news now and we should post when the sourcing issue is resolved. — Amakuru (talk) 21:51, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wait for the end of the season. There are still four match days left and many places have not yet been settled. Yes Liverpool now have an unassailable lead, but the ITNR entry and bold link are for the entire league not just the champion team. Also, the season summary section is all WP:PROSELINE, which I've just tagged for cleanup. Modest Genius talk 14:54, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment From my perspective, it makes sense for this to be posted now (as it's "in the news", as Amakuru points out) rather than wait for the end of the season. However, this need to find support from the editing community, plus the usual readiness check. Schwede66 21:52, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
RD: Jiggly Caliente
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by RachelTensions (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
RachelTensions (talk) 14:11, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
April 26
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April 26, 2025
(Saturday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Disasters and accidents
International relations
Law and crime
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(Posted) Vancouver car attack
[edit]Blurb: A car attack at a street festival in Vancouver, Canada, kills at least eleven people and injures more than twenty others. (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Bremps (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Dora the Axe-plorer (talk · give credit) and 99.217.1.235 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Unfolding incident Bremps... 05:21, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Note: Tragic precedent for posting here, albeit a more deadly incident Bremps... 05:23, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
WaitI'm from Vancouver, so this has been top of mind for me. The situation is still unfolding and thus I would have to wait and see what the scale of the attack is beyond "multiple people". The last time a major vehicle ramming attack had occurred in Canada was Toronto 2018, things like this don't happen in Canada often. When we receive more information I would probably switch my vote but for now it would be a wait. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:37, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Enough information has come out. Given the context within Canada and internationally as well as the scale of the situation, it justifies inclusion. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:05, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wait Article is too stubby specifically because the police have released virtually no information yet. Wait for details to come out before deciding whether this is worthy of the front page. NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:57, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
Opposelet's find out more about this. Nfitz (talk) 07:31, 27 April 2025 (UTC)- Support Police have confirmed at least 9 fatalities, making it the 2nd deadliest car attack in Canadian history (the 2018 Toronto van attack killed 11). Johndavies837 (talk) 10:21, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Confirmed death toll has risen to 11. Dozens injured. Johndavies837 (talk) 16:32, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wait. Incidentally, the police are not treating it as a terrorist attack, it appears. Black Kite (talk) 12:42, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Even if its not a terrorist attack, nine people still died and multiple others were injured. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 14:45, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Awful, terrible. Even if it's not fully ready I think this is such a horrific situation that it needs to be published 24.77.127.72 (talk) 16:39, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support - We posted the 2025 New Orleans truck attack. — EF5 (questions?) 16:41, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- That was terrorism. The police have been very clear here that the person who did this in Vancouver is very well known to them, and that it's not terrorism. Nfitz (talk) 17:36, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support As the 2018 Toronto van attack was posted, too. ArionStar (talk) 18:16, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support as per ArionStar and as someone from Vancouver too. 64.114 etc 20:17, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support: article is decently expanded and is a significant event. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 21:09, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Posted. — Amakuru (talk) 21:10, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Laval daycare bus crash was never on ITN despite being a much more tragic event. If those couldn't be on ITN, why is this one worthy? Is it yet another example of ITN's Anglocentric focus? LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 01:56, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- A crash in Canada that killed 2, and wasn't nominated, against a crash in Canada that killed 11, is evidence of Anglocentrism? Got it. Stephen 02:04, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- I think the point about the Anglo-centrism is that Quebec is predominantly French. History6042😊 (Contact me) 11:03, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- That doesn't even seem to be nominated based on the archives. Masem (t) 02:23, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- A crash in Canada that killed 2, and wasn't nominated, against a crash in Canada that killed 11, is evidence of Anglocentrism? Got it. Stephen 02:04, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment It may be best to mention in the blurb that the street festival (Lapu Lapu Day) was one that centred Filipino Canadians. A lot of the coverage is centred on that fact. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:42, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
RD: M. G. S. Narayanan
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Noted historian Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:11, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) 2025 Shahid Rajaee port explosion
[edit]Blurb: An explosion and fire (pictured) at the Port of Shahid Rajaee, southern Iran, kills at least 40 people and injures more than 1,200 others. (Post)
News source(s): CNN – BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Bakhos2010 (talk · give credit)
- Created by BasselHarfouch (talk · give credit)
Bakhos Let's talk! 14:14, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Many families have been impacted and the article looks fair. I am also hoping that it will be further improved as new information continue to emerge. SurveyMonkey...
- Support Reminds me the 2020 Beirut explosion. Decent article. ArionStar (talk) 15:37, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: this has been marked as ready, and the last ITN blurb was four days ago, I think it can be posted. History6042😊 (Contact me) 12:50, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
*Oppose based on the current information. Tragic event, but the death toll currently is quite low (I appreciate it could increase). Comparing it with the Beirut explosion that killed over 200 people does not at the moment appear logical. Black Kite (talk) 15:42, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Withdrawing my oppose as the casualty figure has greatly increased. Black Kite (talk) 10:09, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support due to the high amount of casualties. The article could be improved, but over 700 injured and a death toll that's expected to increase by a lot is significant. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 15:58, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Five deaths with more than 700 people injured are enough, IMHO. ArionStar (talk) 16:01, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support - large amount of injuries, article looks alright-ish, some deaths. WFUM🔥🌪️ (talk) 16:59, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment, I updated the blurb death count per the article's sources. History6042😊 (Contact me) 20:18, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Edited the blurb with the updated death toll. Kaito-san (talk/contribs) 21:58, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support 750+ is notable, and article looks to be good. TheHiddenCity (talk) 23:31, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Very notable, kind of reminds me of the 2020 Beirut explosions. TwistedAxe [contact] 13:50, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: This blurb is ready to go. ArionStar (talk) 15:40, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- I already pinged the admins. History6042😊 (Contact me) 16:08, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support per above. IDB.S (talk) 17:02, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support per above. Jusdafax (talk) 18:23, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 19:01, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
RD: Jair da Costa
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
ArionStar (talk) 21:14, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is of sufficient quality for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:01, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
April 25
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April 25, 2025
(Friday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
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RD: Walt Jocketty
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 18:13, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Orange-tagged. Schwede66 04:46, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
RD: Yaroslav Moskalin
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Financial Express
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Senior Russian general Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:29, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
RD: Krishnaswamy Kasturirangan
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian space scientist. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:46, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Not yet ready Many claims are unsourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:19, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Tons of unreferenced information. SurveyMonkey...
(Posted) RD: Alexis Herman
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Clinton Foundation
Credits:
- Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American politician. Article is a GA Onegreatjoke (talk) 01:27, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support, it is a GA. History6042😊 (Contact me) 12:09, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support The article is detailed enough. SurveyMonkey...
- Support: article still looks to be in good shape, with citations for recent material. UndercoverClassicist T·C 15:34, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 04:39, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Virginia Giuffre
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:17, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Very sad. Article is complete enough. RIP. Bremps... 02:33, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Shocking. Article in good shape but a major red flag in the lead "alleged victim of child sex offender". From the body and references it is pretty clear that things are material way beyond mere allegations (we do not provide the same benefit to Epstein's lead/article for e.g.), needs to be changed. Gotitbro (talk) 03:51, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Involves BLP of several people, many not proven in court. We go with cited information, and don't make claims of what may or may not be ultimately true. With criminal allegations, articles will cover the history of the allegations and any legal proceedings that follow from them, but refrain from saying what may or may not have actually transpired. Quotations of relevant parties may be added if it's WP:DUE. Harizotoh9 (talk) 05:54, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is well referenced. I am just concerned with the Health issues and death section as it has lots of words in quotes. SurveyMonkey...
- Support - Sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 15:52, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support - article looks good. But should it be blurbed? Nfitz (talk) 16:20, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nah. ITN would have too many death blurbs. Bremps... 18:02, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think that ITN having too many death blurbs is a valid reason to turn down a blurb. Deaths happen without predetermined regularity or discernible patterns. If many deaths of notable people happen by cooincidence, it is what it is. However, I don't think Giuffre's overall contributions, while they are impactful, warrants a blurb. Ornithoptera (talk) 22:05, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- She was involved in some high profile cases but she's not a head of state or the Pope. Harizotoh9 (talk) 02:50, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think that ITN having too many death blurbs is a valid reason to turn down a blurb. Deaths happen without predetermined regularity or discernible patterns. If many deaths of notable people happen by cooincidence, it is what it is. However, I don't think Giuffre's overall contributions, while they are impactful, warrants a blurb. Ornithoptera (talk) 22:05, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nah. ITN would have too many death blurbs. Bremps... 18:02, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Per above, everything looks ready to go from what I can see. Ornithoptera (talk) 22:05, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Marked as ready 3142 (talk)
- Posted Stephen 02:30, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Post-posting RD support, oppose blurb. Just to be clear since a blurb was suggested above and I just saw this. While I'm still sad about her apparent suicide death - as I am for anyone who commits suicide - unfortunately her situation as being the victim of a crime is not warranting of a blurb for her death imo. That said, I only support blurbs for death alone of very significant individuals - unless the death itself is the notable event for another reason (which this isn't). -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 02:57, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
Arrest of Fernando Collor de Mello
[edit]Blurb: Former president of Brazil Fernando Collor de Mello (pictured) is arrested following a corruption conviction by Supreme Federal Court justice Alexandre de Moraes. (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Considering to create Arrest of Fernando Collor de Mello. It's time to blurb arrests of Latin American presidents. ArionStar (talk) 15:03, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Not ready. Major issues regarding the lack of citations in many paragraphs, and the information regarding his arrest isn't well-represented in the article. PrimalMustelid (talk) 15:52, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- I'm trying to fix it. ArionStar (talk) 16:30, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose He was already convicted, and had not been serving time due to the case being in appeals. Masem (t) 16:01, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: The article has a {{BLP sources}} tag since 2016. On a side note, an article about the case that led to this would be better than a "Arrest of..." article. Cambalachero (talk) 16:10, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Latin American president is corrupt. More at 11. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:42, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- A latin american president being arrested is rare. Harizotoh9 (talk) 03:04, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose until there is a proper arrest article. Scuba 00:35, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- There is never a need for a separate article. Masem (t) 04:33, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article looks fine to me, head of a state getting convicted is always going to be an ITN story, especially if it happens where corruption is the norm (so I don't see merit in opposes on that ground, there is also no requirement for separate [arrest] articles). He is out of appeals and this is it. Gotitbro (talk) 04:20, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose not important enough, and definitely not enough of an article update to justify a blurb. 217.180.228.155 (talk) 19:53, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
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Nantes school stabbing
[edit]Blurb: A mass stabbing at a school in Nantes, France, kills one and injures three. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, Reuters, The New York Times, TF1 News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by 7kk (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Recent event which is being covereded by serveral reliable news sources. The article follows layout guidelines and is cited substantially, it was also improved from a stub to Start-class. 7kk (talk) 14:39, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose per WP:SUSPECT - directly naming the accused suspect that isn't a public figure that hasn't been convicted. Also, strong oppose on notability - low death toll and doesn't appear important contextually as-is. Departure– (talk) 14:51, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - As horrible as a stabbing is, especially targeting a school, I really don't see this being notable-enough to post. — EF5 (questions?) 14:53, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- I can understand the oppose on notability, but I would like to mention that the article does follow WP:SUSPECT. "editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured for that crime." - since no conviction has been secured, there is nothing in the article which suggests or attempts to imply the suspect committed the crime. 7kk (talk) 15:41, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Having the name of a 15-year-old under the prominent "accused" part of the infobox or really being named at all falls under the "that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime part of that. Departure– (talk) 15:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oh snap, you're right, best remove the name then. 7kk (talk) 15:54, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Having the name of a 15-year-old under the prominent "accused" part of the infobox or really being named at all falls under the "that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime part of that. Departure– (talk) 15:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Given the current suspect is known to have been a classmate, this seems like a domestic incident rather than one with larger implications (eg terrorism related). Masem (t) 16:00, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. Tragic but limited incident, with no sign of wider implications. We can't put every death of a child in ITN. Modest Genius talk 16:15, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose a kid knifing another kid hardly seems to be major news - whether or not they are a Shark or a Jet. Nfitz (talk) 18:03, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Soft Support from everything I'm reading this was a terrorist attack, with a fatality. Sure it skirts the edge of what should be ITN but I think it barely makes it. Scuba 18:27, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Terrorist attack User:Scu ba? Is there a source for that? Going to our own article, I don't see this, but it does say that 'he may have killed the girl because she did not want to be in a relationship with him and she rejected him on a school field trip'. That's not terrorism. Nfitz (talk) 06:24, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- The Suspect
sent a 13-page document described as a manifesto titled Immune Action. The document advocated enviromentalism, anti-industrialism and anti-globalism, "denouncing the state of the world", particularly "systemic violence" and "social alienation", writing that society is an "immense conditioning operation" aimed at "rendering human beings docile, predictable and programmable
. That sounds like a terrorist to me. Scuba 15:43, 26 April 2025 (UTC)- Sounds more like mentally unstable to me. A one-time act by a young teen, with no association with other people or groups, doesn't meet the usual definition of a terrorist, except in the most loose usage which could extend to anyone shouting at a police officer who gives them a parking ticket. Nfitz (talk) 16:31, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Until we are given a motive (which last time I checked, we haven't been), there's no way to determine if it was a terrorist attack. Given the suspect's focus on ideology, it seems probable this stabbing would be attributed to some kind of ideological motive in the future, if the suspect is proven guilty of course. However at the moment, I don't think it can be. 7kk (talk) 16:43, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Sounds more like mentally unstable to me. A one-time act by a young teen, with no association with other people or groups, doesn't meet the usual definition of a terrorist, except in the most loose usage which could extend to anyone shouting at a police officer who gives them a parking ticket. Nfitz (talk) 16:31, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- The Suspect
April 23
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RD: Jim Herriot
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2025/april/26/rip-jim-herriot--1939-2025/
Credits:
- Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sinbabad (talk · give credit) and Adelberta (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Scottish footballer. article looks good. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:32, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
RD: Steve "Mongo" McMichael
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, New York Times/The Athletic
Credits:
- Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Hall of Fame NFL player and WCW pro wrestler. Article needs a tiny bit of work but is generally in good shape. The Kip (contribs) 23:57, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The wrestling kayfabe is presented as factual. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:57, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson I don't see what you're talking about - it's written as a description of storyline, same as any other wrestler's page. The Kip (contribs) 16:02, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Perhaps that's a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS problem. Readers really should have some indication whether
Ric Flair started hitting on McMichael's wife Debra
is real or kayfabe. For example, actor bios are expected to differentiate between their character portrayals and real life. —Bagumba (talk) 06:10, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Perhaps that's a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS problem. Readers really should have some indication whether
- @Andrew Davidson I don't see what you're talking about - it's written as a description of storyline, same as any other wrestler's page. The Kip (contribs) 16:02, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality numerous quality concerns here. There is uncited text in the lead which isn't mentioned elsewhere in the body of the article. He had a 15 year American football career, yet our section on it is short and comprised mostly of stats. Wrestling career is slightly in-universe, but this is least of the issues. And there's an orange tagged section. All in all, nowhere near meeting WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:17, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose due to orange tag. Scuba 20:12, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per User:Andrew Davidson. The article is nonsensical, and it's difficult to tell what is a plot-line from the TV show they were in, and what is real. This is like trying to read an article about Elizabeth Montgomery talking about which spells she used on William Asher. I'd suggest some major clean-up, and perhaps a split to what character(s) they were playing. Nfitz (talk) 18:14, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) 2025 Istanbul earthquake
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: A magnitude-6.2 earthquake (map of the epicenter pictured) struck the Sea of Marmara, leaving at least 272 people injured and damage in Istanbul and across the region. (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
- Oppose - No fatalities and I'm not seeing reports of major damage as of now. The response is the biggest story right now, and I don't see much merit in this story as-is right now. Departure– (talk) 16:48, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Departure. Thankfully seems to have had a comparatively minimal impact, versus the earthquakes we've posted before. The Kip (contribs) 16:50, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - no fatalities, relatively minor quake, damage appears minor. WFUM🔥🌪️ (talk) 17:08, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wait for more information, were there any fatalities that haven't been reported yet? User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 19:46, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
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(New) RD: Alexandra Fröhlich
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Bestselling German writer, murder victim. Cannot find a source for her date and place of birth though, otherwise the article should be fine. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:53, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Simple solution: delete the unreferenced content. I've done so. Schwede66 04:34, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: Well her age isn’t unreferenced because she was 58 at the time of death so she must have been born 1966 or 1967. I was after a specific date though. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:08, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- I see. I couldn't deduce that from your words above. Schwede66 06:14, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: so is this ok to be posted in its current form given everything is cited? Abcmaxx (talk) 21:28, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know. Nobody has commented that it meets ITNRD. All I did is to respond to your nomination comment. Schwede66 21:46, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: so is this ok to be posted in its current form given everything is cited? Abcmaxx (talk) 21:28, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- I see. I couldn't deduce that from your words above. Schwede66 06:14, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: Well her age isn’t unreferenced because she was 58 at the time of death so she must have been born 1966 or 1967. I was after a specific date though. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:08, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
RD: Keith Stackpole
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8], [9]
Credits:
- Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Jcok380 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Happily888 (talk) 03:13, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Much of the biography section is unsourced. The Kip (contribs) 16:04, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose orange tag. Scuba 20:11, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
2025 Boston Marathon
[edit]Blurb: Over 30,000 runners compete in the Boston Marathon. Sharon Lokedi (pictured) beats the women's course record with a time of 2:17:22, while John Korir (men's division), Marcel Hug (men's wheelchair division), and Susannah Scaroni (women's wheelchair division) win their respective divisions. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Thousands of runners complete the Boston Marathon. John Korir, Sharon Lokedi (pictured), Marcel Hug, and Susannah Scaroni win their respective divisions, with Lokedi breaking the women's course record.
Alternative blurb II: Over 30,000 runners compete in the Boston Marathon. Sharon Lokedi (pictured) beats the women's course record with a time of 2:17:22, while John Korir wins the men's division with a time of 2:04:45.
Alternative blurb III: At the Boston Marathon, Sharon Lokedi (pictured) and John Korir win their respective divisions.
Alternative blurb IV: Sharon Lokedi (pictured) and John Korir win their respective divisions at the Boston Marathon.
News source(s): CBS, WCVB
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: per WP:ITN/R#Marathons, and a course record was broken Ahuman00 (talk) 19:24, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment We usually only cover the men's and women's winners, not the other divisions, simply to keep the blurb brief. Masem (t) 19:38, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Added altblurb2 with this in mind. Ahuman00 (talk) 19:43, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- That's still too complex. Usually it's something like "At the Boston Marathon, X wins the men's division and Y wins the women's." including how many participated is too much for how brief we should be. Masem (t) 19:46, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Added ab3. (Sorry, still new to this whole thing) Ahuman00 (talk) 19:59, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- That's still too complex. Usually it's something like "At the Boston Marathon, X wins the men's division and Y wins the women's." including how many participated is too much for how brief we should be. Masem (t) 19:46, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Added altblurb2 with this in mind. Ahuman00 (talk) 19:43, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- John Korir is a disambig, so I redirected to John Korir (born 1996) Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:29, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- That's my bad, I'm all over today. Added image caption and bolded the article title in blurbs. Ahuman00 (talk) 20:42, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Added alt blurb 4. Natg 19 (talk) 21:08, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Alt-Blurb 4 since it's concise. After a few days switch to John Korir's picture. 23:53, 22 April 2025 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harizotoh9 (talk • contribs)
- For the alt photo of Korir, I'd suggest John Korir.jpg on Commons. Left guide (talk) 00:06, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- How long do we expect this to be on ITN, if accepted? Ahuman00 (talk) 00:14, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Impossible to predict with certainty, but usually a few days, possibly a week, mainly depending on how quickly subsequent blurb nominations gain consensus. Left guide (talk) 00:17, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Alt-Blurb 4 since it's concise. After a few days switch to John Korir's picture. 23:53, 22 April 2025 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harizotoh9 (talk • contribs)
- John Korir is a disambig, so I redirected to John Korir (born 1996) Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:29, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator comment - It appears blurb IV has the most support in replies. Looking to see if there's consensus to add to ITN. Add your 'support's/'oppose's/other constructive comments below. Ahuman00 (talk) 00:24, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for now on quality. Article is barely more than a stub. Needs a lot of expansion, and in particular prose summaries for each of the events. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 08:22, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Not ready. The article has no prose describing the races. There needs to be at least a paragraph each about the men's and women's races, with references, explaining what happened. If/when that's fixed, alt4 is the only decent blurb proposal. PS. I've piped out the year in the blurbs, which we never include Modest Genius talk 11:16, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- More than 24 hours later, there has been no progress on the article. Modest Genius talk 15:15, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality due to lack of prose. The Kip (contribs) 16:05, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality no race summary prose. Entrant information should be prose not bullet points, and could ideally also include entrants for the wheelchair and notable people from the mass participation event too. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:11, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Winner man is a stub, winner woman is badly sourced. Grimes2 16:15, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Soft support not seeing any glaring issues other than being a little short. Scuba 20:11, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality practically no prose on the race itself, most of the article is just a list of who was running. Black Kite (talk) 10:20, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support I can see that the article is well structured and sourced. SurveyMonkey...
- Admin comment – That concern that there is
no prose on the race itself
is valid. I, for one, won't post the article in this state. Schwede66 04:28, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) 2025 Pahalgam attack
[edit]Blurb: At least 28 people are killed and several others injured in a terrorist attack in Pahalgam, India. (Post)
Alternative blurb: At least 28 people are killed and several others injured in an attack in Pahalgam, disputed-Jammu and Kashmir, India.
Alternative blurb II: At least 28 people are killed and several others injured in an attack in Pahalgam, Indian-administered Kashmir.
News source(s): Reuters, Al Jazeera, New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by RIDH-1 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: The attack is among the deadliest targeting civilians in Kashmir in recent years and is the deadliest attack in the Valley after the Revocation of the special status of Jammu and Kashmir. RIDH-1 (talk) 17:03, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- comment terrorist is a loaded term.Sportsnut24 (talk) 17:28, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Don't want to sound rude but killing innocent tourists is undoubtedly an act of terrorism. RIDH-1 (talk) 18:01, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- It is not for us as a neutral platform to use loaded terms. State's also do that and we don't label it terrorism.Sportsnut24 (talk) 18:15, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia's reluctance to label such acts as terrorism, even when civilians are deliberately targeted, reflects a flawed neutrality that can blur moral clarity. Neutrality shouldn't come at the cost of calling out violence against innocents. RIDH-1 (talk) 18:35, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- You can always take it to discussion to do so. In that case, every state attack on civilians would also be labeled terrorist. However, you can take that to discussion to get consensus.Sportsnut24 (talk) 18:41, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia isn't about "moral clarity" it's about cited information. It can't say anything is good or bad, and we let readers draw their own conclusions on such issues. Who is "innocent" or not is a POV and from the standpoint of an encyclopedia, no point of view is more important than others. Was this or that war good or bad? Is this person innocent? Very subjective, cultural, and endlessly debated and debatable and basically a waste of time. Instead, focus on improving articles so that readers can be best equipped to understand the topics so that they can draw conclusions on their own that are based on cited information. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:01, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Hey, we call bin Laden "militant reader" in the first lead sentence, if that tells you how cautiously we take the term "terrorist". — EF5 19:04, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- A pet peeve I have is the "domestic terrorist" exception. MOS:TERRORIST is inconsistently applied. See the lede of Timothy McVeigh. Bremps... 23:21, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Hey, we call bin Laden "militant reader" in the first lead sentence, if that tells you how cautiously we take the term "terrorist". — EF5 19:04, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia's reluctance to label such acts as terrorism, even when civilians are deliberately targeted, reflects a flawed neutrality that can blur moral clarity. Neutrality shouldn't come at the cost of calling out violence against innocents. RIDH-1 (talk) 18:35, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- It is not for us as a neutral platform to use loaded terms. State's also do that and we don't label it terrorism.Sportsnut24 (talk) 18:15, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Don't want to sound rude but killing innocent tourists is undoubtedly an act of terrorism. RIDH-1 (talk) 18:01, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment This is part of an ongoing low-intensity civil war. Bremps... 18:16, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- I'm writing this comment assuming good faith :-) but calling it a "low-intensity civil war" is misleading. It’s a complex geopolitical conflict involving cross-border terrorism, separatist elements, and historical disputes between India and Pakistan. RIDH-1 (talk) 18:27, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- obvious support the casualty count if high enough and the context of it being so high since the changes make it notable. It is far more notable that boat drownings, rooftop collapses or discotheque fires.Sportsnut24 (talk) 18:29, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Alt blurb 1 (though should use "Indian-administered Kashmir" per ITN precedent). Was on the fence about this (part of an ongoing dispute) but seeing this in line of the revocation of Article 370 of the Constitution of India and the specific targetting of civilians (uncommon for the region's militant groups); I think ITN criteria is met. Gotitbro (talk) 20:58, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Gotitbro: I added Altblurb2 which uses 'Indian-administered Kashmir'. ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 03:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Shifting support to alt-blurb 2. Gotitbro (talk) 04:19, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Gotitbro: I added Altblurb2 which uses 'Indian-administered Kashmir'. ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 03:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support - but change terrorist to militant. I would also be alright with ALT1.
- WFUM🔥🌪️ (talk) 23:05, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Either blurb could do, and the number of deaths is quite significant. PrimalMustelid (talk) 00:01, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Added and Support altblurb II (an attack could be changed to a militant attack though): Massive attack after a moment of peace, reported to be 'larger attack at civilians in recent years', draws domestic and international reaction. ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 01:53, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Looks good, well cited. However, the reaction section should be reduced as a long one serves no purpose. Sherenk1 (talk) 02:22, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support – neutral on the use of the "terrorist" term. "... in an attack" works well enough. Juxlos (talk) 03:02, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support altblurb II as it is worded with a NPOV about a significant event. 2402:E000:541:D5B6:0:0:0:1 (talk) 03:46, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support – and will go with Altblurb II by ExclusiveEditor. The term "Indian-administered Kashmir" deals better for the region on the ITN, since the status of broader Kashmir region is disputed, "disputed-Jammu and Kashmir, India" causes ambiguity (i.e., dispute within the country (India) or at international level). MŠLQr (talk) 04:34, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support per above and go with Altblurb II. IDB.S (talk) 06:22, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Posted It seemed like the preference was for Altburb II, but I also felt that the blurb (all of them really) sounded a bit too passive (general preference for more active voice on ITN) and further didn't make it clear that this was a... non-state attack. I understand not using the term "terrorist", but it didn't seem like there was objection to the term "militants" (which is used repeatedly in the article) and mentioning "tourists" also provides further context. Reader can draw their own conclusions. -- tariqabjotu 06:45, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Post-posting support Good shape for a terrorist attack article. ArionStar (talk) 16:00, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Our own article clearly refers to this as terrorism, because it is, and the reluctance to use the term here is bizarre. The suggestion above that it is "POV" to refer to murder victims as "innocent" is one of the most disturbing things I've ever read. This was an atrocity, in which 26 innocent members of the public were murdered. Call it what it is. Effy Midwinter (talk) 18:58, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Well, the discussion at WP:ERRORS has disappeared now, and we're still using "militants". Could we perhaps have some sort of clarity on when exactly the word "terrorists" IS appropriate? Because if this massacre doesn't qualify as terrorism, then it is difficult to see how anything does.Effy Midwinter (talk) 01:23, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Should we add a mention of the diplomatic crisis caused by the attack? User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 23:32, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- I second this— but only if the article is kept after the deletion discussion closes. Bremps... 00:02, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
(Posted as RD) RD/Blurb: Zurab Tsereteli
[edit]Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Georgian-Russian sculptor Zurab Tsereteli dies at the age of 91. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, The Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Kiril Simeonovski (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: He was one of the greatest and most famous sculptors of the late 20th and early 21st centuries. His famous works include Chronicle of Georgia and St. George Statue in Tbilisi, The Tear of Grief in Bayonne, New Jersey, Birth of the New World in Arecibo, Puerto Rico and Birth of a New Man in Seville. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:04, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality The article needs a lot of referencing work, there's a lot of information with no source. In its present state it is neither ready for RD nor blurb. 139.164.154.34 (talk) 10:18, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality too much unsourced. Oppose blurb, no indication of how they are a major figure in the world of art / sculpting. Would need discussion of legacy or impact to show this to be the case. Masem (t) 12:18, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as I've orange-tagged the article for a massive lack of citations. Oppose on notability per Masem - there's not a lot to indicate how he was a uniquely famous/notable sculptor to the level we generally reserve for blurbs. The Kip (contribs) 16:10, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb He's not getting in the Who's Whos lists. See this and this. Bremps... 18:00, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
Opposeboth the RD and the blurb due to ongoing orange tag in article. Scuba 20:10, 24 April 2025 (UTC)- Per below, changing vote to Support RD, Oppose Blurb I just don't see him as blurb-worthy. Scuba 01:59, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Bremps, @The Kip, @Scu ba, and @Masem. I have made the article better by adding more sources and removing unsourced info. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:19, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks! I changed my vote above! Scuba 01:59, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- No problem History6042😊 (Contact me) 10:04, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- @SurveyMonkey, I forgot to ping you too. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:19, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- I'd recommend eliminating the awards that do not have an article themselves or where we don't have page about the organization that grants those awards, but otherwise this is ready for RD. Masem (t) 01:36, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem,
Done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:43, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: I think this is ready and will be archived tomorrow. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:47, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem,
- Thanks! I changed my vote above! Scuba 01:59, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose – Article has multiple unsourced statements. SurveyMonkey...
- Posted Stephen 01:51, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Signalgate: 2nd leak
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: A second security breach is found after chief US government officials' Signal group chats discussing confidential military operations in Yemen are shared by Pete Hegseth with his wife, brother, and personal lawyer. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
- Oppose until there are some real consequences (e.g. high government officials resign). After the first and the second leak, there may be third, fourth and so on and so forth. We cannot just post every time this happens.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:45, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- But we risk giving negative false equivalence here. Most administrations would have fired Hegseth by now, however that there are no consequences is a defining feature here. There are no consequences to any of these latest actions and everyone else looks to be powerless to execute anything of note to change that. That doesn't mean the leak itself doesn't have implications because a security breach of this magnitude does have consequences. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:10, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- I don't say this leak doesn't have implications or it's a minor thing. The problem here is that these leaks may become so frequent that we'd have to regularly post them if we set a precedent, and it'd be very difficult to say no if a future leak reveals more notable information than any of the previous leaks. I suggest to wait for a while to see if this continues and then re-nominate it for ongoing.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:15, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- But we risk giving negative false equivalence here. Most administrations would have fired Hegseth by now, however that there are no consequences is a defining feature here. There are no consequences to any of these latest actions and everyone else looks to be powerless to execute anything of note to change that. That doesn't mean the leak itself doesn't have implications because a security breach of this magnitude does have consequences. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:10, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Zero ramifications came from the first leak, and the only thing happening is potentially the outster of Hegseth, which even if that does happen, will have very little long term impact. Politicians, journalists, and talking heads can talk how big of a problem it is, but until there's actual penalties placed against those that did that, its not a good story for ITN. Masem (t) 12:16, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose For the same reason I opposed the much bigger first leak story; Trump 2.0 shenanigans are simply much bigger than a single chat leak. Gotitbro (talk) 13:02, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. We already rejected the first leak; this one is getting less media attention. The article treats this new leak as a brief follow-up to the main event. It's clearly incompetent and maybe Hegseth will lose his job, but even if that happened it wouldn't be a big enough deal to merit an ITN blurb. This is domestic politics with lots of debate but no real outcomes. Modest Genius talk 13:23, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- We didnt reject the 1st nomination at all, it actually had consensus to post but came too late and was deemed stale. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:27, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- That nomination seems 'no consensus' to me - which is another way of saying ITN/C didn't support it sufficiently to post. Modest Genius talk 19:04, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- We didnt reject the 1st nomination at all, it actually had consensus to post but came too late and was deemed stale. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:27, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Oh no! Anyways, no one has resigned. 2001:2020:347:C24D:2C9C:B7FF:FECB:C5C7 (talk) 14:40, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Short of having an Ongoing which would basically be an "Idiocracy in the USA" ticker, I don't see that we can accommodate the litany of omnishambles emanating from the White House. Black Kite (talk) 14:48, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Ongoing/news ticker-grade development. Call back when there's an actual outcome (resignation, conviction etc). CoatCheck (talk) 15:12, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Puan Noor Aishah
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNA
Credits:
- Nominated by Robertsky (talk · give credit)
- Updated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Wife of the first president of Singapore – robertsky (talk) 01:28, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Technically not a stub, but stringy. Bremps... 02:05, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose – Article is too short and lacks depth; it does not sufficiently cover the subject's life and impact to support a blurb. SurveyMonkey... SurveyMonkey (talk) 07:00, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nice signature. Bremps... 18:15, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- works well with dark mode – robertsky (talk) 06:23, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nice signature. Bremps... 18:15, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Note: The article has been expanded by others. – robertsky (talk) 06:22, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support article looks fine now. Scuba 20:10, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- The day and month of the date of birth are unreferenced. Schwede66 04:24, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Schwede66 Cited now. – robertsky (talk) 14:42, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support no concerns regarding quality. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:30, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 21:48, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
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